RE: [kFW] Needed: Collaborative systems for driving consensus...

[Daniel Harris <daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi John and All,

At 12:55 08/11/01 +0100, John Oliver wrote:
>I see this as a make or break time for Kendra.

Why is that then? I've been working on the Kendra project since early 1996 
and it's still as relevant today as it was then or will be in 10 years (or 
more) time. Could you expand on your thoughts here? And what it implies?

>I too fully support its
>'formalising', legal status and payment contribution system.

Cool. Please see my recent post on the payments side here:
http://www.kendra.org.uk/lists/archive/k-framework/msg00040.html

>From speaking to people at conferences, Kendra always triggers specific
>interest - the grass-roots, open structure and representation of end
>consumers' needs hits a cord somewhere as a refreshing alternative in the
>pure technology sales environment.  Kendra therefore has a future to seize.

Full on!

>The votes to who runs this is going to be interesting - who in the Kendra
>community is willing to contribute the time / change their work priorities?

Surely, *voting* is something we do after we have *discussed* the *issues*, 
yes? Perhaps voting should only take place when we fail to reach a 
*consensus* via *discussion*, yes?

David Morris are Gordon Ross are gathering their answers to my many 
questions in:
http://www.kendra.org.uk/lists/archive/k-framework/msg00031.html
http://www.kendra.org.uk/lists/archive/k-framework/msg00033.html
It will be interesting to see what they have to say.

Is it any coincidence that the subject of this thread is "Collaborative 
systems for driving consensus". Right now our collaboration is via this 
email discussion list. Please explain why this is not good enough?

The great thing about this list is that one contributes when one can and 
how much they can. People are already committing a certain amount of time 
and effort to this project. What they are happy with, I suppose.

>I will indeed vote before tomorrow 12.00 zulu as we have to start somewhere.

I am confused and not sure at all about what you are voting for. There are 
at least 3 proposals so far (from David Morris, Gordon Ross and Steve 
Kennedy). Which proposal are you voting on? Please clarify.

This discussion list kFW was set up for the very purpose of creating the 
framework for Kendra Initiative. In a sense you have already "voted" 
yourself in by posting your ideas to this list. How does it not serve that 
purpose?

>In addition to the formalisation of Kendra enabling a more structured
>collaboration process, in my view the core team would be essential in
>positioning Kendra uniquely in the media delivery space:

Are we not already the core team? How would the "core team" you mention be 
different from us on this kFW list?

>- Stand on the shoulders of the existing CDNs, taking active role in CDN
>peering and accounting initiatives.
>- Provide to the industry those elements that the  ISMA, BCDF, IETF etc. do
>not.
>- Give are a voice to the independent content owners.

Good points! And there are many others that need to be discussed...

Cheers Daniel