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Re: [kDev] A new file sharing proposition
Just to clear things up here:
Peer to peer (p2p) systems can relate to any system where there is no
central point of failure. The original Napster had central servers so
didn't really fit the pure p2p model. But Gnutella does - I think. With
p2p you can do many things more than just sharing files. For example,
my desire for KendraBase is that it enables the sharing of ideas.
File sharing systems are not necessarily p2p and they are not
necessarily put to illegal purposes...
On 4 Nov 2003, at 13:04, John McHugh wrote:
... I get concerned that there will be an implosion point.
That's why I say we have to concentrate on building the world how we
want it (creation) rather than being always in a state of reaction. In
a way we have to be a bit blinkered to the chaos going on around us and
get down to the building bit.
\Q: will content actually just end up being shared via a Pier-2-Pier
Agree with Scott here. Also, p2p can have payment systems built into
them as your Navio CEO says. So, can file sharing systems for that
matter. But if there is no credible paid for system that gives us the
same convenience then how can we expect anything else? That is a
question that nobody in the music and film industry ever answers
because they know it'll show 'em up!
\Q: how will this eventually be monetised so that the content owner
and distributors get paid?
Well, for starters the content owner and distributors (now the ISPs and
telcos) have got to say that they want to be paid. Then, as logic
dictates, they have to build a system that helps them do this taking
into account that if they fragment the market with many incompatible
systems they will confuse the consumer - who will go use the more
convenient file sharing systems.
\Q: is there really ever going to be a secure way to protect this
Agree with Scott here. What is your priority? Do you want to let people
hear the music and get paid for it or do you want to secure your music.
If it's the former then put it up there with a price tag. Of course,
you need a system that works. That's why I'm suggesting Kendra as a
vehicle to build the system. If it's the latter then all I can say is
good luck. I can't blame the music industry - they've been sold a
really bad story by the technology industry promising a DRM heaven. But
having DRM is one thing. Getting people to use it is another. It's a
That being said I do subscribe to ODB2 and I pay my monthly
subscription and I get my content as and when I want and yes I do pay
But when comparing OD2 and all the other current legal systems out
there to file sharing systems, it's like comparing your local village
library with the British library. The legal systems just don't have the
catalogue and hence they don't have the convenience. Until the music
and (soon) film industry start talking about convenience to the
**user** rather than themselves then we'll continue to see wide spread
use of file sharing systems.
... just interested to see in which way the model turns over the next
three years and to that end you surely have to make this a
consideration for the framework?
I reckon the best thing to do is stick to the plan. Don't try and
second guess what will happen. But stick to designing the world we want
to live in. That's my method and I'm sticking to it until I find
anything better - which I doubt I will find.
Your son sounds like my 13 year old brother asking for a MySQL login
for his webspace! ;-) In 10 years time we'll have a whole new
generation of very clued up people. Wanting to impress their friends
with the latest encryption crack. What will their parents teach them?
Will they learn about being in a state of reaction (short term) or
being in a state of creation (long term). I really hope it's the latter
for all our sakes.